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Post by meetu on Apr 4, 2006 14:42:06 GMT -8
Alright, since I'm pretty new to furcadia, when I discovered myself amidst my first experience of having my Ports ripped off, naturally the first thing I did was ask a Beekin for help, who directed me to e-mail the Furcadia guardians. Guess what, still haven't heard back from them :)! Talking to someone on the Guardian Channel proved pointless as well, seeing as they never responded. So as I wait for an answer, I'll tell my story here in hopes that somebody, anybody can help, and maybe increase my chances of getting this resolved instead of just ignored. About a month ago, a few friends and myself decided to make a dream together. I decided I'd do all new ports to help out, and worked pretty hard on them. During this time, the port-stealing individual was co-owner, but we made sure to only share the ports amoungst as little people as possible, so he never obtained them. We also did a hell of a lot of personal patches and DS work for the dream. Later on, the theif split from being part of the dream and decided to make his own. The neat thing was, it was EXACTLY like ours! :) Down to the DS and personal patch edits. At first, we figured there wasn't much we could do about the smaller edits, and just changed our dream name from Ra-Rael Herdlands to Empress River Valley and continued to work on it while he re-named the copy of our dream Hidden Glade. Later on, he made another copy, slightly editted, and put it up under his alt RaRael. Well, recently after the fun april fools adventure in furc, he took our spot on the main map in Furn, no biggie, but when I decided to pop in I discovered that he had stolen a few of my ports, ripped the copywrite and my name tag off of them, editted them somewhat so they look pretty butchered, and slapped them in his dream. Nowhere in his dream does he give me or any other individual credit for patches and ports. Before this ever happened, when we discovered he was making a dream for a "friend" (basically his alt), I specifically told him I wanted him to take my personal patches out, and not use my ports. He pretty much went out of his way to do so. So, until I hear back from the admin, I'm pretty much stuck on what to do. His dream's still uploaded, which I find crappy, knowing until I hear something back he can continue to rip me off. The funny thing is, I just did these ports like....1 month ago :)! This has been my first experience port-making, so it sure was super to have them stolen already, especially by somebody that used to be a friend. Anywho, sorry if this is long and emoish...but I figured it'd be easier to understand hearing the full story. I have screenshots and such of the ripped ports, but I would HIGHLY appreciate somebody coming forward to help, anybody, so this can end as soon as possible. I know noober whining gets pretty old after a while, but I figured if it has to do with copywrite infringement, it's pretty important. :) Thanks for letting me chew your ears off. -Meetu, The Bunny i78.photobucket.com/albums/j84/IIceyII/Meetu_2006-04-04_17-45-24.gifi78.photobucket.com/albums/j84/IIceyII/Meetu_2006-04-04_17-44-07.gifMy feral stallion ports in both dreams. i78.photobucket.com/albums/j84/IIceyII/Meetu_2006-04-04_17-45-16.gifi78.photobucket.com/albums/j84/IIceyII/Meetu_2006-04-04_17-43-49.gifMy feral mare ports in both dreams. Also, his dream urls: furc://Hidden-Glade:A-Feral-RP furc://Ra-rael:herd-lands And ours: furc://Empress-River-Valley:Feral-Lands! If need be, I can post the originals with my tag and copywrite on them. Staring at his edit of the hair makes me want to vomit! :)
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Post by Mortain on Apr 4, 2006 23:35:55 GMT -8
Unfortunatly, when you send a patch to another individual as co-owners or uploaders, you give them rights to have that patch. Now it's unenthical to use them without permission, but it's not against the furcadia rules (much to my dislike.) The only thing you can do at this point is spread the word of this theft and let anyone know that. Don't flame them, harass them, and let the truth speak for itself.
Hopefully when furcadia gets up it's new updates, the patch security will change, but who's to say. almost 10 years without it, why should we be supprised if they don't get it.
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Post by meetu on Apr 5, 2006 0:03:23 GMT -8
The ports we never sent to him, and made a point not to, so he did infact rip them. The patch edits and such we figured couldn't be resolved, since those were sent to him, and they were small and less meaningful, though sentimental to us. It's pretty evident he screen shot and stole the ports though, because of the edits. We've pretty much cut off most communication with him, one less thing we need is to start a fight that will get us nowhere. But we're getting pretty sick of his alts coming into our dream and harrassing us. Probably time for an account ban :) If he ripped the ports, and this is against furcadia rules, what can be done about it?
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Post by Mortain on Apr 5, 2006 11:56:28 GMT -8
I'm not sure. I think that it has to be an uploaded furcadia portrait. You can still try though. Contact the guardians@furcadia.com and see if there is anything else that can be done about it.
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Post by Lyrak on Apr 9, 2006 16:04:08 GMT -8
But we're getting pretty sick of his alts coming into our dream and harrassing us. If continuous bannings and/or ignorings doesn't stop the flood, I think you can email the guardians and request some form of action. I had to do that with a whisper-spammer who pulled up new alts quicker than I could ignore them. x.x
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Post by heshana on Apr 12, 2006 13:12:16 GMT -8
If continuous bannings and/or ignorings doesn't stop the flood, I think you can email the guardians and request some form of action. I had to do that with a whisper-spammer who pulled up new alts quicker than I could ignore them. x.x I think we are finally free of him. We no longer see him come into the dream and all the names that we do know of being him *a few >_<* We have them all banned from the dream. So finally, we believe we are safe from him harrassing us. Our concern now is trying to find a way to make it so that he will stop using her ports since he was not given them nor permission to use them. Its clear he stole and many of our dream regulars are also aware of this fact so its not like she is lieing about any of this. Just wish guardians and what not cared enough to do something about it. T___T
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Post by lordequis on Apr 13, 2006 12:38:39 GMT -8
It is sad when a couple break up and they have shared so much. I would like to take the time to set the record straight. One the patches and ports where made for Ra-rael herd and as such is my herd and my dream so thusly the patches where so made for at the time for me and Heshana. Secondly I did not steal them as they where in the last set of updates I had gotten form Heshana. I am sorry that they feel I have stolen such works. Her name is properly credit in the credit.txt of my dreams as the creator of the patches and my dreams are also encrypted so that no one can deconstruct and use them.
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Post by meetu on Apr 13, 2006 14:53:54 GMT -8
Setting the record straight? I think not. Let me help you since you insist on LYING to save face.
The patches were made for the both of you and the over-all dream, yes. Some of them were given to you in the upload. What WASN'T given to you were the ports for the specific reason that I did them for Heshana personally, because she asked for them. She never sent the files to you, and everyone knows it. The staff, the dream regulars, EVERYONE. It's pretty obvious that you ripped them, the shading value is completely butchered and you flipped the image. Now, if you received the entire file yourself, why in the world would it end up looking so crappy? Screenshot please. That, and there'd be no need to take my name off of it, that's just plain rude. Not only that, but you went out of your way to do it after I asked you 2 or 3 times nicely to take them out, that they weren't made soley for that dream.
Oh, and also, it was sure special of you to keep coming into the dream on alts and harassing us, not only that, but screenshotting more things I did :) The carrots and apples I hand drew for the dream I did a good 2 weeks or so after you left, and somehow they appeared in your new upload! It must be magic! It's clear they're screenshots, and slightly altered, and it takes some f**king nerve to say those were made for your dream.
On a more personal note, you have no respect for me whatsoever. The things that I DID for you to help you out with the dream apparently are now completely over-looked as you absolutely refuse to respect our requests, mine personally, and not only that but straight up lie to everyone about it. What fights you have with Heshana should stay between YOU AND HER, you have no right to rip me off because of some personal vendetta against her. So you should at least respect my requests to take them out, regardless of how you feel towards her. I never did anything to personally hurt you, and this has become ridiculous.
But I'm not here to start personal fights, thats been said and done with and is pointless. I just want you to give me the respect I deserve, and take my ports and screenshot edits out. Giving me credit in the .txt file is a joke, in the time you took to do that you could've left my copywrite on the picture. It's also ridiculous that you can't even get over yourself enough to give credit to Hesh for the DS and personal effects involving them, like the grain and water buckets and apple baskets. We give you more than enough credit for the things you contributed to the overall map design.
I'm sorry, but you can't intimidate us on here like you think you can in furn. So save the reply and take the ports out and let this be done with. Having a good portion of the furc community knowing you're a thief is the least of your problems. You're not our concern, the ports are, so save the break-up nonsense. This is a forum, not a soap opera.
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Post by lordequis on Apr 13, 2006 16:57:04 GMT -8
Well to appease the artist in this case I have removed some works from my dream that she says that I could not have ever gotten. This I have done not under any pressure from Furcadia or its staff. I would like to note that after her response to my last post my alts, all that was known to her and those at Empress River Valley, where summarily disconnected with no apparent reason. I have no clues as to why this happened other then that one of her friends is a beekin and over stepped their bounds or I had a technical glitch. it is odd that the glitch spanned 30 min of on and off connections as well as happening after her reply to my post. I am not accusing the artist but am worried that this incident may have caused a beekin to abuse their power for I got no system admin warning before the disconnects nor can I find any technical reason for it as well. I would hope that this issue is now closed and we all can move on with having fun on Furcadia.
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Post by ebonne on Apr 13, 2006 22:13:57 GMT -8
Karma is a B.
Glad you finally owned up, Equis.
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Post by lordequis on May 16, 2006 6:25:47 GMT -8
Well after being kind enough to respect the Artist wishes on her ports and removing them from my dream I had asked that they, being Empress River Valley (ERV for short), stop using the map I had made. Now since I was basically told to go F*** myself on this mater and after waiting for more then a month for ERV to change out their map it became quite obvious that ERV had no intentions of honoring me in the same way. So I have come to the conclusion that if they want to use my map I will continue to use the items that I have as well and as for theft it is hard to steal what was freely given. I understand their frustration but I will not stoop to calling them thieves just to try and pressure them to change their minds.
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Post by heshana on May 16, 2006 14:54:52 GMT -8
Wow it baffles me at how low you will go and how far you will take the lies to try to make yourself look like your in the right when you and everyone else knows that you stole what was plainly stolen.
As far as the map is concerned, you have no right whatsoever to ask us to remove it because it was and is made for me thus it BELONGS to me. Therefore, I am free to do what I will with it and I chose to keep it up and share it with my friends. Your just hating because you are no longer apart of it and don't get to enjoy our friendship and love like you used to long ago. You miss it. Its quite clear because you insist on keeping this up instead of letting it die JUSt to get some form of attention from is seeing how this is only way you can get it, kinda sad really. We moved on which is why now we just take amusement in making fun of you and your lame attempts to look better since you refuse to grow up, be mature and get over all this. We have, so why can't you?
Just MOVE ON already and learn to have fun in furcadia without having to worry about what WE do. I mean honestly, there are hundreds of other people that play furcadia. Should make some friends and let old stuff die.
Bye bye, I am done. And btw Eb.. LOLOL. XD Nice visiting the forum man. -blows a kiss-
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Post by lordequis on May 16, 2006 15:44:16 GMT -8
This is interesting as I clearly made the map for us. But since this how you want to look at things then you are right and that means the stuff that was made by others for that dream was made for us and thus I have every right to us it also, as for being immature I am not the one poking fun at you nor am I slandering you openly on Furcadia or the web. Now if you and meetu consider this done with then so do I. As for wanting to be near you and that group no I actually think your lame and a spoilt brat that doesn’t now what being grown up really is.
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Post by meetu on May 16, 2006 15:56:30 GMT -8
Oh yeah, and btw, I find it funny how suddenly now you put my items and stolen ports back in after paying a visit to a new dream I posted in AI that has a link to ERV. You never asked to remove the map until recently, thank you very much. So much for keeping your word, and it also amazes me the time between when you put the items back in and this new meager attempt to justify it. It's a pretty big gap. You really need to stop coming to our dreams and harrassing us, too. It's bad enough you steal our items and ideas, but being a little furcadia bully is just pathetic. Advertising for your dream with an alt in my dream is probably the lowest of the low, and kinda sad that you can't find any other way to get people to come to yours. Like I said so many times in the past, we give you credit for your work on the map, but you give us absolutely no specific credit for anything, even the things that were made after the split that you clearly did steal/copy.
The scarey thing about all of this is, it's just a game. As crappy as it was to have my things stolen, I'm not in your dream advertising about how ours "holds the truth". You can't force your messed up perceptions on others.
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Post by anonymous1 on May 31, 2006 19:25:11 GMT -8
TO ALL WHO IT MAY CONCERN...I HAVE READ AND REREAD THIS WHOLE DARN FIGHT. TRULY I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF IT ALL. ALL OF IT HESH LORD MEETU QUIT BEATING EACH OTHER UP. CUT IT OUT AND STOP THIS FOOLISHNESS. SO YOU WERE ALL FRIENDS. SO YOU ALL BROKE UP. YES THINGS WERE USED WITHOUT PERMISSION. IT'S DONE. GO ON AND STOP ALL THIS DREAM VISITING, LASHING OUT AGAINST ANOTHER CHARACTER, POSTING ON HERE TO HURT THE OTHER. THIS ALL NEEDS TO STOP. ITS NO DIFFERENT THAN AN IRL RELATIONSHIP. YOU STOP AND GO ON ..QUIT DRAGGING THIS ON. NO MORE ENTERING EACH OTHERS DREAMS AND BASHING THE OTHER. NO MORE POSTING ON HERE WORD TO HURT THE OTHER. QUIT ALL THE STALKING OF ONE ANOTHER AND GO ON AND HAVE FUN ON FURCADIA FOR HEAVENS SAKE. YOUR CHARS ARE SUFFERING AND THIS ALL NEEDS TO STOP ONCE AND FOR ALL. QUIT THREATENING QUIT BASHING JUST QUIT IT ALL. STAY OUT OF EACH OTHERS DREAMS AND GO ON WITH YOUR LIFE ON FURCADIA. PUT YOUR FINGER UP IN THE AIR AND CHALK THIS UP AS EXPERIENCE TO NOT SHARE WHAT YOU DON'T WANT SHARED ON HERE. AND GO ON WITH YOUR CHAR'S LIFE..GOOD GRIEF JUST GO ON ...STOP ALL THIS FOOLISHNESS. TO EACH THEIR OWN ON HERE AND GO ON
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